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["Chris Belle" <cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Let me amend myself.

I don't mean the markers view itself, but the ability to hear them when you 
go to them from the track view, or other places with control-shift-page up 
or down.

I put things like first verse, second verse, etc.

It's probably in a little spot on the screen somewhere, and monitoring that 
might be handy.

And for the record, I experienced my very  first crashes with sonar and nvda 
on a project just now.

I made a marker and went in to the markers view.

I don't know who's fault it was, I didn't do the error log, but well, it's 
windows, what do you expect.

About the comma thing speaking.

How does jsonar handle it?

It seems to be pretty reeliable.

Also, with window-eyes, I've made windows around the numbers, and queried 
the window, they change color and that works most of the time, but sometimes 
it didn't.
I found the colors changed just a bit sometimes with different layouts or 
projects.


But atleast what we have now is reliable.

and why do I like headers turned on on the web, it makes reading content 
better in some cases.

But if it's not easily defeated, then the short cut keys to get to the menu 
to do it are better, I didn't know those.

I've really only started using nvda a whole lot when it got eudora support, 
and then found out about sonar support, and your project, before then nvda 
was primarily a rescue tool to dump window-eyes when it crashed 'grin'.

It's way of doing things is quite different, the flat review and all, and it 
took me a minute to get my head around that.

so the last month has been my odesy with nvda and the first time using extra 
plugs with it, and poking in to python scripts and all that.

My students who are not blessed to have up to date versions of jaws, and on 
lesser hardware trying to use sonar are going to love this stuff.

Even the ability to reliably insert sends and load  presets is all some of 
them need.

And with my ahk scripts, I haven't done everything yet, but you should 
really check out my sd3 script, it rocks, blows away hsc in how fast you can 
move to stuff, hsc is so clunky in some ways, no offense to jaws users here, 
but having strings tied to commands just rules over trying to figure out 
which three or 4 fingered hot key did I used to get to that last volume pot 
on that 200 knob mixer.
or tabbing endlously through tab rings.

With autohot you can type v1. v2. etc and just be there.

But I digress, the relevant points are that a non-programmer can get their 
head around this helper tool, and it's non screen-reader specific or you 
don't even have to have a screen-reader, and I'm glad I choose this route to 
do most of my sonar plug-in support.

I've done sessiondrummer 3, sfz, sonitus eq and comp, and such.

But I tend to use the inspector a whole lot for ease of automation.

Anyway, it's just another way to do things.

and ahk isn't just a screen-scraper, you can get at program controls and 
such, but when i tried that in the sonitus eq, it wasn't as reliable as just 
moving the mouse and clicking, I don't know why the heck not.

Because in general, calling a program window handle control is much better 
because of changing displays and such, but that particular plug-in was just 
finicky.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Teh" <jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda-sonar-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-sonar-users] i made it


> On 13/12/2012 1:39 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
> > By the way, how easy would it be to implement comma and control comma
> > being reported for selection states?
> Ug. The damned cwaccess window doesn't update like it should when those 
> are pressed, so working around this is ugly.
>
> > But maybe more important would be the markers view.
> What about it? It works just fine here without special support. It's just 
> a list box.
>
> > Either that, or we have a quick way to turn that header reading on and 
> > off.
> I'm curious as to why you're okay with this on the web but not in Sonar. 
> :) In any case, while there's no single keystroke, you can toggle it like 
> this: NVDA+control+d, alt+e, enter.
>
> Jamie
>
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