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[Shane Fagan <shanepatrickfagan@xxxxxxxxxx>]

> The point of looking at mdsn is to see how many different kinds of
> programming there are a platform like Windows or Ubuntu. What does "get
> started" mean? My point is that it's cut and dry for small form factor
> platforms with onely 1 or 2 types of apps, but not cut and dry for
> Ubuntu.
Ok point taken.

> Also, having an IDE is neither necessary nor sufficient for having an
> end to end developer solution. Also note that Microsoft has multiple
> tools, some within and some not within Visual Studio, and many many
> developers write applications for Windows without using VS or any IDE,
> including the developers who write Windows and VS itself. 
I accept that not everyone developing on Windows develops in VS or if
even the people developing Windows use it internally but there is no
denying that it does help with end to end delivery of apps from creation
to deployment and has more or less everything someone needs to create on
Windows. There are some deficiencies in VS itself (like it being very
very heavy) but the benefits are clear as day for doing an approach like
that. 

Ive used both platforms quite heavily doing a few different things and
id say I have a pretty good understanding about how a regular developer
feels jumping into both platforms. My main point is that we do have some
end to end features that are done with quickly, the problem im trying to
highlight is that if someone asked me where to start in Windows id say I
wouldnt even think id say go use Visual Studio and if you have trouble
it has msdn built in and you can ask questions there and there are in
built templates and a nice help to explain how to use the interface. If
they asked me the same question on Ubuntu id have to make a list of
steps to say install quickly, talk about the commands quickly offers and
id have to say go to #ubuntu-app-devel on freenode if you get stuck when
im not around (and if they dont know what IRC is id have to explain that
too since not everyone knows about it), hopefully developer.ubuntu.com
can do the job of msdn in that sense or maybe we can embed a webchat in
a page or something. It just adds a bit of research or guidance to the
process.

I dont think im being entirely clear about what I mean but in short most
of the newer developers from 2005+ grew up with all in one IDEs doing a
lot of the work for them and making their job a little easier not
specifically VB, Eclipse too and netbeans also do that too. We do have
eclipse and it does the makefiles and stuff very nicely and is great for
doing development on Ubuntu but its missing the end part for deploying.
Im not saying Quickly doesnt scratch an itch but it doesnt scratch every
itch so plugging Quickly into an IDE would be the best of both worlds
since developers who like having flexibility can use quickly in the
commandline and developers who like a more VS approach can have that
too. 

--fagan