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[Rick Spencer <rick.spencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 16:45 +0000, Shane Fagan wrote:
> Hey Rick and mpt,
> 
> Well in terms of developer portal itself we are only really concerned
> with the right now so its kinda out of scope for this list.
> 
> In terms of making the toolkit easier and making everything
> streamlined for developers I think we need to start some initiative
> and mailing list (like ayatana) to discuss ways to make development
> easier at a more broad level than what quickly addresses so IDEs and
> the like. I dont think we have a list like that and I think it would
> help the discussion about issues with development as a whole if we had
> some place to go to talk about stuff.
Quickly does address what mpt is referring to. For one certain type of
application, Quickly provides a complete end to end solution. When we
have tightly bounded problem spaces, we should offer such end to end
solutions.

The problem is, comparing android and wp7 to Ubuntu is crazy. Those
platforms have incredibly limited capability, with only a few kinds of
applications, and no legacy code.

What do we do for a developer that wants to write a brand 3D game versus
one who has a legacy code base for a  large application they want to
port versus one who wants to create a trivial app to run once to solve a
simple problem for themselves? There are all valid application
scenarios, and of course there are many many more. There is no way that
any one set of tools and APIs can fulfill these use cases. 

The more valid comparison would be to compare Ubuntu to the Windows
developer platform. It's interesting to peruse msdn.com to see how on
just the Windows platform there is so much going there. Look at just the
New Project dialog in Visual Studio to see how many options Microsoft
offers for just *new* applications.

Cheers, Rick


> 
> --fagan
> 
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Rick Spencer
> <rick.spencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 10:23 -0600, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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> >> Recently I came across a couple of examples of indie developers
> >> comparing the overall experience of developing for multiple platforms.
> >>
> >> Android vs WP7 for developers - a case study
> >> <http://www.nilzorblog.com/2011/01/android-vs-wp7-for-developers-case.html>
> >>
> >>     Covers the respective IDEs, APIs, submission process, report
> >>     interface, and sales numbers. "I do believe it's slightly more
> >>     fun to work at the WP7 platform, but the differences are not
> >>     that big. Not big enough to be decisive alone."
> >>
> >> - From iPhone to Windows Phone 7
> >> <http://carpeaqua.com/2011/01/02/from-iphone-to-windows-phone-7/>
> >>
> >>     Emphasizes the importance of having an OS -- and hardware --
> >>     that the developer wants to use themselves, but also touches on
> >>     the quality of APIs and IDEs. "Truth be told, I had fun with the
> >>     Windows Phone SDK. Whereas the Android tools and APIs frustrated
> >>     me to no end, I had little trouble picking up Windows Phone and
> >>     translating many of the paradigms and lessons I’ve learned on
> >>     the Apple platform to Microsoft’s."
> >>
> >> While those posts are about mobile platforms, this is the kind of
> >> experience we need to design in making Ubuntu an attractive target
> >> platform for developers. The end-to-end experience of being attracted to
> >> Ubuntu development, installing the SDK, learning the APIs, developing an
> >> application, submitting it, and tracking revenue and feedback.
> >
> > Is there ambiguity about Ubuntu's aspiration to accomplish this?
> >
> > Cheers, Rick
> >
> >
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