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[Andy Elsten <aelsten86@xxxxxxxxx>]

I also understand your frustrations with me. My actions were not the best
with the whole hashing function. I feel as a team all of our communicating
has drastically dropped this semester and that worries me. I want to get
pass this class like the rest of you and I want to produce the best project
possible. I know meeting on a regular weekly basis isn't possible given all
of our schedules but I don't think one meeting a week before the milestone
worked out very well.

I am glad we cleared the air on this situation and hope that we can move
past it and get the work we need to get done, done. I am ready to get done
anything that needs to get done. I am willing to work on any part of the
program that needs worked on.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Doug Shook <dsshook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hello everyone.  After our little mini-discussion about peer reviews in the
> hall after class I felt that we didn't quite get everything across the best
> way possible.  This email is primarily intended to justify why I (and I'm
> only speaking for myself) gave out peer reviews in the way that I did, and
> what can be done for those who wish to improve.  I'm sending this to the
> whole mailing list so that we can get everyone's feedback and hopefully
> decide on a solution as a team.
>
> Tom, last semester you were criticized for your lack of communication, and
> it continued even after I brought it to your attention.  I remember one
> point last semester when I had fixed some bugs in your avatar code.  You
> then committed over them after we had told you so many times to always
> update before you make any changes.  I sent an (understandably upset) email
> to you about what you did and didn't receive any reply.  I have to say that
> your behavior in that situation pretty much turned me off to ever trying to
> help you again.  I've seen some attempts on your part to rectify the
> communication issue but they always seem half hearted.  Sending me an email
> that your assignment won't be done until a few hours before its due doesn't
> really do much good at all, especially when you had over a week to do it.
>
> Andy, last time I wrote out an email like this I brought up the fact that
> you were assigned to write a hashing function, which didn't get finished.
> Afterwards you did finish the hashing function, but it wasn't helpful to us
> at all.  There was no way it would've worked with the Login Window that we
> had, and in fact after a few minutes of inspection it was pretty clear to
> see that you ripped a huge chunk of code you found from google and added a
> few lines to it.  Something similar happened with the unit tests, which you
> blatantly copied from my own unit tests.  Its not so much the code
> "borrowing" that I mind as it is that you couldn't even take the time to
> figure out how to adapt the code you borrowed so that it actually did what
> it was supposed to.  I wouldn't have even minded THAT so much if you
> would've found me or Zach or anyone and asked us how to do it correctly
> instead of just hoping that it would since it worked for something else.
>
> Finally, I'd like to discuss the assigned tasks given to the two of you.
> The only reason any tasks were assigned to the two of you in the first place
> is because of the fear that myself and others have had about what would
> happen if you attempted to work on certain parts of the project.  Given the
> above behaviors I don't think that you could blame anyone for not trusting
> you to do things properly, and on a project such as this that's REALLY
> important.  If you want one of us to keep telling you what to work on I can
> continue to do so, but no one ever tells me what to work on.  I've been
> keeping up with this project since day one and I know what has and hasn't
> been finished.  If for some reason I'm not sure then I'll ask someone, or
> just check it myself.  As senior computer science students I don't think
> that this is too much to ask.
>
> I'm truly sorry to have to be writing another one of these emails.  Its
> just as unpleasant for me as I'm sure it is for you, and I hope that neither
> of you take it personally.  I also hope that you weren't truly surprised at
> the grades you got, however, and if you were then I ask you this: how much
> stuff on the repo can you honestly say you contributed to?  I, for one, am
> proud of my work, and I don't think it would be right to give equal credit
> to those who contributed less, period.
>
> All of that being said, I am willing to ignore everything that has occurred
> in the past and start anew.  There is still so much work to be done and it
> will be much easier if we have your help.  So please....help us!
>
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